Skip to content

And the award for the worst poster of Lisbon II goes to…

Cóir's 'heart' poster

Cóir's 'heart' poster

Yes, we do love our outmoded, xenophobic, sectarian, pro-life/anti-choice constitution. Fortunately, it will be largely unaffected by the Lisbon referendum, despite what Cóir would have you think. I wish we could fix the problems in the constitution (blasphemy anyone?) but it doesn't seem particularly likely after this shambolic campaign.

6 Comments

  1. coir wrote:

    http://www.coircampaign.org/index.php/info-euguide/case-for-no-vote

    If you read the above article, you'll understand why negative press like this article of yours cannot overcome the fact that 'Lisbon II' as you call it is still wrong for Ireland.

    Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
  2. johnl wrote:

    Hello, Cóir.
    I see you've left out the fada on your name again, just as you have in the title of your website, tut tut.
    But I digress.

    It's very interesting that none of the more sensationalist claims from your posters appear in that list, isn't it?
    Your link doesn't really address what I've posted here, but I'll address its points regardless.

    Nothing about a €1.84 minimum wage, for example. But I guess you dodged that one by putting a question-mark on the poster! Pretty good progranda tactic, I have to say.

    I personally would welcome control from Europe over our "low-tax regime". It's short-sighted and holds back development of any sort of socialised infrastructure. What's the point in multinationals being here if they don't pay their way, and up sticks at the slightest sign of trouble or an increase in living standards?

    A similar point can be made about "Foreign Direct Investment". Decades of relying on foreign multinationals have left us with very little internal innovation, as the lion's share of IDA cash went to companies like Dell and Intel.

    The EU constitution does not 'trump' the Irish constitution. It cannot.

    As for losing power and vetos: The EU is a democracy, of sorts. Not a very direct one, and certainly rather too full of bureaucrats with direct control. With a 27-state EU, how can we expect to achieve anything if every country can hold up every issue? Some restriction of the veto power was necessary in order to keep things running in the new expanded Europe.

    As for "recording your e-mails and internet visits", that was a great plan of our own Dermot Ahearn. I've noticed a trend in anti-Lisbon campaigning to try to shift the blame for our own incompetence to Europe.

    The other EU countries bent over backwards to protect our little worry-warts, abortion and our false neutrality. We then rejected it, despite these compromises, based on issues that had nothing to do with the Treaty. They then gave us the famous assurances, a kind of "Lisbon For Dummies" guide for Ireland, explaining the tricky treaty for the island folk. And it looks like we might just reject it again, based on more irrelevancies like NAMA and abortion.

    Ah, abortion. That's what it's all about, isn't it?
    Hundreds of years of the Irish freedom struggle, 1798, 1916, 1921, all the long war.
    All so that we could ban abortion for ourselves.

    PS: You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for that 1916-themed poster.

    Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
  3. coir wrote:

    Hi John,

    Thank you for that scathing and wholly irrelevant attack on our campaign. We have addressed the minimum wage claim on our site, maybe you should try reading and understanding our position before bending to the will of the clueless government.

    Remember:

    [img]http://www.coircampaign.org/images/LeafletsPosters/poster_4.jpg[/img]

    The government would love to sail us down the river, selling out the rights of the people to protect the wealth of the upper crust. We speak for the people, and I'm positive that they will make the right choice for Ireland a second time around.

    Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
  4. Aengus wrote:

    If his critique of your campaign is, in fact, a "wholly irrelevant attack" on you, then why have you not bothered to address any of his points, despite having had two chances?

    Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
  5. coir wrote:

    Fine, I'll address the points laid out both in the article and his responses.

    With regards to the €1.84 minimum wage, we have acknowledged that that figure may NOT have been correct and have replaced this slogan with the new 'EU loves low wages' slogan, which I think you'll agree is above contest. Examples of this are France and Germany, both of whom have dropped mimimum wage consistently over the last 5 years where our has stayed the same or increased. Under Lisbon, control of our minimum wage lies with the central EU commission, and our national minimum wage is GUARANTEED to fall. Meanwhile, EU grants keep banks and big business afloat, which ensures that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

    Regarding the constitution, while it is true that the EU constitution does not 'trump' our constitution, it does allow the commission to make changes which may be technically unconstitutional under the Irish constitution without the need for a referendum.

    You say you welcome european control over our 'low tax regime'. Surely you do not believe that our government is so incompetent that we must be hand held by the EU through all of our tough decisions? When Fianna Fail makes a controversial decision, there is dissent, outrage, protests and complaints. What do you think will happen when an unpopular decision is made by the EU commission (regarding, say, minimum wage or grant money allocation) and we are effectively told there is nothing we can do about it?

    Finally, to quote you:

    "As for losing power and vetos: The EU is a democracy, of sorts. Not a very direct one, and certainly rather too full of bureaucrats with direct control. With a 27-state EU, how can we expect to achieve anything if every country can hold up every issue? Some restriction of the veto power was necessary in order to keep things running in the new expanded Europe."

    You may be happy enough to hand over your right to object to changes which negatively affect you, but others may not be so complacent.

    We at COIR welcome educated debate, and I would be pleased to discuss any further concerns you may have.

    Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
  6. johnl wrote:

    Well, Cóir,

    I'm a giving fellow, so I'll give you some more points. I know I'm giving you a platform, of sorts, here, but I think my gift of further rope will be very beneficial to the campaign as a whole.

    I have seen your addressing of the minimum wage claim on your site. It rings very hollow. The misleading posters are still up, so I don't think you really have a leg to stand on there.
    "Under Lisbon, control of our minimum wage lies with the central EU commission". This is simply untrue.

    I can discount your poor waterway-based metaphor, and move directly to the bread-based one.
    Lisbon has very little to do with the neo-liberal agenda that we have imposed on ourselves by voting the same gang in again and again. Do not try to shift the blame.

    You do not represent the people, stop deluding yourselves. You represent a vocal minority, at best.

    Tuesday, September 15, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

Post a Comment

Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked *
*
*